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Episode 2. Finals Frenzy

September 17, 2025 • Theincoherentpodcast

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The Incoherent Podcast — Finals Fever, NFL Kickoff, and 007 Hype

Zach and Jason are back with a jam-packed episode! We dive into the NRL Finals storylines, NFL chatter, flag football fun, and a quick spin around the cricket scene and the EPL. Then we boot up the gaming corner for first impressions of Project Motor Racing, stealthy chaos in Hitman VR, and everything we know about the new 007 game.

What we’re talking about:
- NRL Finals: key matchups, surprises, and predictions
- NFL: early-season talking points and bold takes
- Flag Football: why it’s blowing up
- Cricket: latest happenings and hot takes
- EPL: movers, shockers, and fixtures to watch
- Gaming: Project Motor Racing hands-on, Hitman VR antics, new 007 hype

If you’re enjoying the show, don’t forget to give the podcast a follow. Head over to our Facebook page to get involved—drop your questions, hot takes, and memes, and we might feature them next episode!

Speaker: 0:01

Welcome to the Inca here in podcast.

0:24

Welcome back to the Incoherent Podcast. I'm here with Zach, so how you been Zach?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 0:29

Yeah, not too bad getting over this bloody head cold, but yeah, not too bad. Weather's starting to fine up so

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 0:37

It's not too bad. It's not,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 0:39

ahead.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 0:40

it wasn't too bad of a weekend to be sick laying in bed. Heaps of sport on, I said last week, that final series probably lived up to expectations from my point of view. I know the New Zealand game was in the rain, and that's probably all that was. I think it would've been a little bit more exciting otherwise, or Andres might have ran away with it a bit bit further,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:00

Yeah, give Pendra a dry track and I think they run away with that game a bit further. I don't think the rain played that much. A havoc Game wise, they probably settled down and wanted to hold onto the ball a little bit better. But yeah, I still think the quality of game, it lived up the finals. Expectations

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:20

Yeah it wasn't too bad, the Warriors did try to get back into it.'cause we're, they've stopped those two 40 twenties that they, they're probably two big plays that really kept Penrith ahead of it and it, and full credit to the Warriors. They've had a really good season and I really hope that they build off this season into something bigger and larger. It's really going really well over there, to be honest. But I would be happy as a warrior supporter.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:45

a hundred percent. yeah, the, there's a couple of injuries we spoke about that. Most teams caught this year. They really hurt the warriors. Losing Metcalf coming into the, leading into the final series. I think he was building into a, yeah, a very special halfback this season.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 2:04

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 2:04

interested to see how he comes back from the ACL.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 2:07

Yeah. we'll talk a little bit more about that when we do the sports wrap a little bit later. just going through things. But what I do want to get out of the way,'cause I know the rule, I understand the rule, but Walsh kicked him. He didn't attack the legs. I don't, I really don't think that should have been a penalty. I'm not too upset about it and

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 2:30

that he didn't attack the legs, it's the fact that he made contact with

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 2:34

I know what the rule.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 2:35

rule. The rule also states that you can't head, but a bloke either. But Walsh stayed on the field after that, so.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 2:43

Yeah, well, Smithy stayed on the field, you know, he got the same thing at the beginning of the year, so I'm not too upset about that. I am upset Hudson Young shouldn't have been sent off. And if, unless you live under a rock and don't really follow footy. Hudson Young got sent off for, I don't know, stirring up the opposition and got headbutted. So he got suspended for, he got sent off for having a place for Walsh to land his forward. But anyways, the NRL has since said though that that penalty should have went the other way because was a lot worse of a incident than what Hudson Young done. So I don't agree with it. But the other, the other thing that I pointed out to you earlier in extra time when the Raiders scored that try, Ashley Klein awarded the try and it is supposed to be that you have to have absolute certainty that knock on happened to be able to change your decision from the on field referee's decision and, you could not see whether that went forward or backwards.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 3:45

There was no definitive action of which direction that ball traveled. No, but it come off Canberra's hand and then made contact Broncos player. I do think that's where the bunkers come from.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 4:06

I don't have a problem with it either way.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 4:07

it's, I

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 4:08

think I,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 4:09

if they wanted it a try, happy days wouldn't bother

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 4:13

yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 4:13

way. But it

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 4:15

But it comes back to that discretion with the, with the thing with the charge down. He contacted his leg, it was minor. He was running across in front of him. He wasn't attacking his legs. He wasn't diving at his legs, which was what that rule's supposed to stop. And then you can go to that and they've, pretty much guessed whether it went forward or backwards and didn't decide to stick solid on the rule for that. It's just something that I picked up.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 4:38

Both instances could have went either direction and At the end of the day, They followed the, the letter of the law with one thing and that little bit of indiscretion around the other one, so. Oh, well.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 4:52

And for any Raiders fans that are still upset about it on a Thursday, nearly a week after Zach is setting up a helpline because he's a cowboy supporter and he truly believes in conspiracies and he's lived and breathed that for a long time.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 5:05

I've lived through many conspiracies over the year. I'm still, dreading that seven tackle set from Cronulla a few years back and

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 5:14

So if you just, oh one 800 not my fault. Zach will answer and he'll talk you through it and he,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 5:19

more recently, the Parramatta Ford Pass. So I'm sure Clint Guston remembers that one.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 5:26

I've seen through the week? I was just flicking through Facebook and a video come up, but in one of the, NFL games,'cause they've been doing a lot at the, the. WNBA where they've been throwing the dildos on the court, but someone threw a big, bright yellow dildo onto the field and they've put it up as a flag because they've got the yellow flag that they throw when they get a penalty. I just piss myself laughing. It was just big, big yellow cock run flying through the air.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 5:54

Well, it could have been worse, could have landed on a helmet and they could have looked like a unicorn.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 5:59

That's I was reading the comments on Facebook going through, they just laughing about it and that's what someone said. They're like, that game's gonna end as soon as someone throws it and it lands on a helmet and, and it suctions to it. It just so good.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 6:12

are real.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 6:12

Yeah, just imagine that. Another thing that I noticed this week is in Saudi Arabia, they're organizing a, flag football tournament. And looks like Tom Brady's gonna be competing along with Gronk and a few older players and stuff like that. So I guess they're trying to pump up flag football for the Olympics.'cause the next Olympics is in LA and that's the one of the sports that they put forward to the committee that got approved. And yeah. So it's not NFL, but it's sort of coming to the Olympics. What it, what do you reckon?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 6:50

Something different. I guess it's, yeah, they're, bringing a few big names to it, so they're, they're really

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 6:57

Well

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 6:58

it.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 6:58

if there. It's obviously it's been put in there, it's something for America to win. Like that's the only thing I don't see any other country competing with it because we just don't have the knowledge of the game in that context.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 7:15

Can't be too much different. Aust.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 7:17

a little bit different unless we've got like a really good ultimate Frisbee team, which is basically the same thing. So

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 7:24

Well.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 7:25

sort of

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 7:26

Yeah, little bit different, but yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 7:29

When it comes to Australia into Brisbane, surely cricket's. The first one has to be,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 7:38

I was only thinking about this, in recent times, whether we can put cricket forward,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 7:44

well, cricket's, the second biggest sport in the world.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 7:47

yeah, we, going back to as I was growing up, playing a bit of cricket and the old 10 over comp.'cause as you know, the Olympics has got a timeframe, so unless you're

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 8:00

It'll, it'll be T 20. It'll be a 2020.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 8:03

it'll be T 20. But even, even those games that

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 8:08

can you fit it into two weeks though?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 8:10

That's what I'm getting at. Like do you Yeah. How do you fit that in, like

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 8:14

I don't I

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 8:15

it again and go to a 10 over competition.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 8:18

What about the hundred over competition?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 8:21

Uh, yeah. Well I've never got too much into the a

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 8:24

Well, it's not a hundred over. It's a hundred balls, isn't it?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 8:27

something like Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 8:29

They have

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 8:29

Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 8:30

a hundred deliveries.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 8:31

I'm traditional cricket through and through love test match cricket and we spoke about this not too long ago. And I can sit there from opening ball day one Boxing Day test

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 8:44

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 8:44

and not leave the lounge other than the go get something to eat or go to the toilet and just be enthralled by the game.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 8:54

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 8:55

I love test match cricket.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 8:57

yeah. it's all the drama dramatics, the buildup, the strategies. I'm the same, I was saying to you earlier, I watched a one day test when I was younger, Australia, India, watching Adam Gilchrist, and he just flogged three balls straight over the ball of his head for six at the end of the game. And that's what got me intrigued with cricket. I didn't know much about cricket. I probably know more. Well, I'll know more now than what I used to, but then it was all right, yeah, T 20 was just starting out after that. Yeah, this is pretty cool. It's nice and quick. I don't have to sit around for days'cause I did not understand test cricket. But once I started understanding test cricket and watching a bit more of it, I fell in love with it. So, test cricket's. My favorite form of it as well, I understand the need for the shorter form of the game, the big dash is a good thing. Heaps of people go and watch it. it's a weekly thing and it's easier to, it fills that void over summer in Australia anyway. Most people watch it, but,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 9:53

That's

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 9:54

Hmm.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 9:54

it's a big money grab for all countries all over the

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 9:57

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 9:58

Even the players, because the players get paid an absolute Mozart to go and pay te 10 and cricket

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 10:05

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 10:05

all over the place. And they, yeah, IPL that's a big one for a lot of Australians. They head

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 10:11

IP is massive.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 10:13

yeah, give me test match cricket, in saying that, it did love me one day as two, but yeah, it just, it was a different game when test match cricket was in play. I had just had that different feel about it. it,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 10:29

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 10:30

yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 10:31

Yeah, I do like it and the ashes are coming up this year coming back to Australia, and I'm looking forward to it. It gets a bit hard for someone like me that's probably not fully committed to it to watch it when it's on in England, but I still pay attention to it. It's just one of those things that's just iconic. And the thing with the Rugby league ashes is, I don't think it's quite got that. It hasn't got the same thing around it.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 10:56

no. No, it's,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 10:59

I understand why they're trying to do it, keep it a tradition and all of that. I understand why they're doing it. They're doing the tour thing'cause that's what they used to do. What used to work well. I don't know if the generation now relates to that quite as much as what they think they might. I think it's more for older people. I find people our age and younger would much rather see a competition like the Pacific Nations won, but include England., That's where it makes it hard. You've got three tier one nations that have to play each other and you know, there's a lot between the other teams. But we can, we can talk about the tier stuff. I believe that come next year we'll be talking that they've deleted the tier stuff and you'll have New Zealand players born in Australia. Lived in Australia, that'll be playing state of origin. Think that's what they, they think that's the track they're gonna go down. I, I have my own feelings about it. I don't actually have that much of a problem with it. I know that people think if you play for New South Wales, you play for Queensland, you should play for Australia. It already doesn't happen, so,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 12:08

Yeah, I, I've always said since day one that you make yourself eligible to play state of birth New South Wales or Queensland, I think. Australia should be your first choice. But I also understand that everyone that plays Origin decides that they wanna play for Australia. Australia's gonna keep winning everything

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 12:32

yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 12:33

that that's the best of the best playing origin,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 12:35

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 12:36

then they're gonna back up for Australia. But I

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 12:39

And

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 12:39

that

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 12:39

it's not because, it's not because I'm not supporting Australia either. I want to see International Rugby League grow.'cause it's the only way that you're gonna grow internationally is if you have a, if you have a close competition, that's gonna grow a lot more than what it will if you just put all the driggs and drags into these other teams, let these other teams build. Most of these other teams don't have that much money to be playing players, to entice'em to go. And that's why the whole Tonga, some other things a really good thing because other players are going playing for their heritage and, it'll work out so much better. How much would use Zealand get back if some of their players that pick the play for Australia, just because they played state of origin, they can get back. That boosts the New Zealand team. Not that the New Zealand team should be that bad and they're not, but it just makes it more interesting. It's not like, oh yeah, Australia's gonna win. They don't always win, but they've had it too easy for way too long.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 13:33

Do you change the whole origin aspect and I mean, not the whole origin aspect. I mean, you change when it's played and we've, the NRL gonna expand in the future, possibly only play each well, each team only play once against, and then have that shut down in the middle when the normal origin period is, and have an international break of a fortnight.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 14:04

Yeah, I know, I know that they do that thing in soccer. I'm not, I'm not a big fan of the International break, but I'm also not a fan of putting Origin at the end of the season again.'cause you'll just end up last time where they have time off to fix injuries and stuff like that.'cause first and foremost, your Cub Clubs paint paying. So your club. Should come first.'cause that's where your money and your income comes from. Like I understand the want to play for, play for your country, want to play for your state, but it just gets a little bit too much. The way that the rounds are set up now, it's way too long to include too much. You can go and do this Ashe series at the end, or if they throw a World Cup in there, players are basically not getting any time off. They're coming back from preseason late and you're affecting your product. But the NLS affecting their product by playing these players too long. Because that's what, that's what broadcasters pay for. They wanna pay for the best of the best. And fans wanna watch the best of the best. And the longer that you do it,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 15:02

that broadcasting that that's all their, investments. They want a return on their investment.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 15:08

yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 15:08

but I just think personal opinion. Yeah. And having that, even that international break or that origin period

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 15:19

I think,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 15:20

and you, you still then finish your football or your NRL at October long weekend

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 15:28

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 15:29

here in New South Wales, you're still starting around that same time. Maybe week or difference at the start of the season you gotta do something to make it all inclusive.'cause otherwise, season's gonna keep dragging on. Players aren't gonna wanna play because they've got those little niggling injuries and they wanna be ready for the following

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 15:49

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 15:50

So you're affecting the, that, that postseason, the internationals or the origin or however they go ahead with it. But

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 15:58

yeah. I, I think you can shorten the rounds to 19 if you had 20 teams, if you went with 20 teams.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 16:07

each each other once.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 16:09

that you could add more teams later in the future and then you can extend it. But that opens up the back half of the season so that players can go play state of origin and then you can move on to, you know, specific cups or Pacific trophies or whatever you wanted to do. You can do that sort of stuff. I'm just not a fan of the mid-season break. I'm not saying it wouldn't work you probably could do that. You could have state of origin and then the international players playing like they had before three consecutive weeks. Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 16:38

quite easily work, especially with clubs. When you look at clubs this year, I'll use this year as an example, so many clubs had where with so many injuries in that middle period, if you had a two week shutdown where there was no club, football has two extra weeks of rest and rehab gets those players back on the paddock quicker.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 17:05

Yeah. Yeah. I don't like the idea of the, of breaking it up in the middle of a season.'cause I think the season needs to be continuous, but I do understand the benefits of it. And, and really I'm happy either, either way. The more that other international teams play each other, the stronger they're gonna get and get more familiar. And a coach can actually build on the team They can actually build some influence and have them wanna play for'em anyway. I've, I've got heaps of weird ideas like the NRL looking to buy the Super League. Does that mean that you could split Super League into a Northern Hemisphere conference and NRL into a Southern Hemisphere conference, two grand finals. You still have the Grand Final. You still have that two weeks later play in the Super Bowl and the week before that, you go from the teams that aren't playing in that game, the play, the best of the best players that aren't playing in that game. And you have a Super League NRL All Stars game where everybody's all inclusive. you can still do the indigenous and Maori game as well. You can still do that. I'm a big fan of the way that it is. It had clear up all of this bullshit with the change of the schedule that they've got where they've changed the, the preliminary finals to a Friday and a Sunday to avoid the A FL Grand Final. You have that week off after that. Nobody's complained about how much time they've got off. They've had plenty of time. And in that week before, you can play it. You can have a NRL festival in Sydney, Brisbane, you can do other things. You can still play, you could play the New South Wales Cup versus Queensland Cup.'cause that's all, that's all that I'm trying to trying to say is you've got, that's basically what it is. Queensland Cup, new South Wales Cup. Then they play in a, in a super final. That's all it is. It's the same thing. it generates more revenue for NRL and Super League and you alternate each year where they go. I don't, I don't see the problem with it. I know there'd be some people that do see a problem with it, but even in the Super League, it gives them their, their own sort of state of origin type thing. You, they're still picking Australian players to play with some of those English players and it gives them more development and more experience with players that are more experienced with them and it'll just grow the game a lot like Super League. every year it seems like they want to change the rules and the competition and they've just got no idea what they want. They're going in and into a board meeting to decide what teams play next year because Southford shit, the bed couldn't pay their players, and now they're trying to decide to expand on that. I don't think that's the time you should be expanding on it. I understand that people want their team in the Super league.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 19:52

No, it's a different take on it.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 19:55

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 19:56

and I do, I quite like the idea of a All Stars game.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 20:03

Super League and NRL All Stars There's some good English players. You only have to look at the ones that come out here. They're good. I know that they've taken a few back with frigging Radley and Brisson, they get all stuck up about the eligibility of playing for New South Wales, Queensland. Just because Briston hasn't been picked for Queensland in not even that many years. What was it been like? Four? It was only about four years ago. He played for Queensland,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 20:31

Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 20:32

so he decided I'll just go play for England. What? What's the difference?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 20:36

the whole eligibility thing, I think. And it has been discussed from the NRL higher ups that it will be a big discussion in the off season. So We'll, stay tuned with that one.'cause that one will be a big talking point during the off season.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 20:55

So I think we jump into this week's sports wrap. So this week on the sports wrap, we'll go through the NL finals first. I think.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 21:04

Yeah, a few big games. As we briefly touched on, weather game over in New Zealand, like I said, They lived up to a finals game Warriors unlucky back end of the season. The bow out of this year's final series.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 21:22

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 21:23

Credit depend if where they were at the start of this year, nobody would've thought that they'd be playing finals football. And yeah, they're just gonna have to do it the hard way going from here still, but yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 21:38

I think it's a little bit of fatigue though. They didn't play the World Club Challenge last year, so did they play it the year before? I think they did. And they got beat by winging.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 21:51

Yeah,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 21:52

Yeah. So even with that game out, it, it's a long season for all those players, got little nigg injuries and stuff like that. It's.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 22:01

hundred percent. I don't think the dynasty's over, they could get knocked out

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 22:09

Nah, it's, it's far from over.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 22:12

I pains me to say it because I don't want the same team in the final Every year wanna see the close ladder that we had this year. We've got multiple teams, sorry, battling for that grand final spot,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 22:28

Yeah, I think, I think most people are the same. They don't wanna just see the same team playing every time and winning, but it also brings that intrigue for that team that does beat them. You're still gonna tune in because you wanna see that other team beat them, whether it happens this year or not. I'd be very surprised if Penrith win again this year. To, to be completely honest, after watching that Canberra Broncos game, they're by far the standout teams. If Canberra can back it up this weekend with that extra time and the short turnaround, I, I believe they can, I think they can beat the sharks. What do you reckon?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 23:10

I think they can, I think they'll bounce back after the disappointment. That'll be, that'll be eaten away at those players and they'll use that as fuel for this weekend. But I will not write the Sharkies off. I said last week they could have, could have went out against the roosters, but the sharkies, they didn't quite have as hard of a game, I believe of that Brisbane Canberra game, I think that's gonna

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 23:41

No.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 23:43

a lot of. A lot of physical and mental drain on those players.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 23:48

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 23:49

we've seen in the past where the teams that have caught that big impact of a game that they've bowed out the following week.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 23:57

They've got a little bit there. Well, I had'em in the bottom eight. I think I had'em close to the spoon at the beginning of the year. I'm not gonna say that. I definitely did.'cause I can't back that up.'cause we didn't have a podcast then. But I, I didn't have'em in the eight. I didn't see'em doing anything. It's just come from nowhere. And I think most people have seen that. And I think that Ricky will have'em up for it this weekend. And I think they're gonna be angry. They're not gonna be very happy and they're gonna prove everyone wrong They again.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 24:23

a hundred percent. They'll be angry with themselves. Yeah, as we've seen in the past, teams that concede 50 points in the normal season, don't go on to win it. So

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 24:35

Yeah, well,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 24:36

and gentlemen,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 24:37

well in the NRL era, no one's won five in a row before. So

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 24:42

first for everything I guess.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 24:44

yeah. Records are meant to be broken., But on that, on that Shark's roosters game though, I said to you a little bit earlier,'cause I, I don't see the hype around Walker as a halfback, I think, I think he's just trick playing nearly every play. There's no buildup to anything. There's no turning the screws, there's none of that. And SE Villa's only a rookie. he was playing six the other day, but se Villa's boot probably helped out more than anything. But it's good when it comes off, but you need that player that's a bit more calming, can run the team. And I don't think Walker's quite that person. And if DCA ends up at the Brewsters, which, or reports he will, it's probably gonna help in the game management thing for him. But I don't think he's quite there. I don't think I'd want him at the Knights. And the Knights need all the help they can get.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 25:37

you being night supporter should be right behind Harbor Bridge Pass because he just floated sand and Smith down the highway to you.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 25:46

Yeah, well, he's not gonna be playing halfback, I can tell you that right now. Well, I hope not. I like going through comments and stuff. I don't understand why people wanna move lector sharp back to the wing. Honestly, he needs to be in the middle of the field. He's not going back to fullback. PGA will be the fullback. The only way that that's gonna change is if PGA leaves and if PGA leaves, then we're looking for a hooker, not a half bat, I think. I honestly believe Fletcher Sharp is at the right age and with the right training and all of that. He could be anything.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 26:19

A hundred percent.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 26:19

and someone pointed out to me the other day that he reminds him of Kurt Gidley because of his versatility and his enthusiasm and all that. And that's a hundred percent correct. And I think that's why I can relate to him so well.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 26:32

I don't disagree. And Ability that Fletcher's got in the future as he grows and start, he feeling out. He's only gonna get better.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 26:44

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 26:44

game will get better. His control of the game will get better.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 26:48

it ti ti got the Knights player of the year the other day, the Danny Badest medal or whatever it is, and

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 26:53

if he was Fletcher shut, missed half a

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 26:56

so that, that's what I mean. Up until Fletch got injured, he was the best player on that field every week. He hasn't let anyone down there. He hasn't given anyone reason to move him out of the halves. I think he's been a brilliant five eight. He started to do a little bit of kicking. He started to do a little bit of ball playing. He's always there in support. He's wasted on the wing

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 27:16

I think that having Fletch in and around the halves be good. Smith going there is only gonna give you his more depth'cause he does have that ability to jump into the halves.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 27:29

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 27:29

it will be interesting to see how Dylan Brown goes because I, I believe he's a six.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 27:35

I don't believe that brown's half back.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 27:37

and I would not be surprised if Holbrooks doesn't trial at some point. Fletcher at seven. Brown at six.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 27:50

I think Fletcher seven will be from the start. I think that's what the Knights have in plan and Yeah. And they've got sand in there if everything goes wrong, you can't, that's, that's something going off if those players are a hundred percent fit and then they're fighting for their positions, but Right. Justin Holbrook announced as the Knights coach. I'm happy with the decision. I can see that a lot of other Knight fans aren't because, oh, he didn't do so good at the, he didn't get given enough time at the Titans. He's from Newcastle. He's, he played five games in Newcastle. it's not that big of a deal,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 28:25

no,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 28:26

but,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 28:27

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 28:27

but I think, I believe that these, these coaches, they get sacked from a club. People think, oh no, we, they're just, they're not real good. They learn from them experiences. Adam O'Brien will learn how to do things. The next club that he goes to, he wants a break from head coaching. He'll go and assist for a bit, and when he is ready to put his hand up again, he'll put his hand up again. And he would've learned from the whole experience, it's not gonna be wasted on him. He would've learned from it what went well, what didn't go well. And the same thing will be from Holbrook. He's got an outstanding record in the Super League. He's been an assistant at the Roosters. He helped the Titans. Last time the Titans played finals was with Hol Brew. And I think that people just need to give him a chance.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 29:11

they were also fighting for that last, I think they were fighting for eighth in Holbrook's last season, and they only missed out on for and against,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 29:22

yeah, yeah. I Too far back.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 29:27

it, it is just going back to the, the finals, in the Melbourne Doggies game. Another, another brutal top four clash. Oh, kick you outta eye socket. You've gotta be feeling that one.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 29:41

Yeah, no, that is one thing that coming outta that game was a lot of injuries to the Bulldogs who have to play next week. They don't get that extra week to rest their players or anything like that. So, pride's gonna be a big loss, hopefully. He's not gone for the whole season.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 29:58

Creighton done well to, to muscle through that pain and last as long as he did.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 30:04

Yeah, no, he that, that's what you want from a player though. He's come from Penrith and Lui does the same thing. He's come to this new team trying to build something and bought into something and bring all the other players with him. That's the right attitude to have. He's not just going there for a payday or anything like that. He's taken his experience and he wants to help people. Creighton Creighton is an unbelievable player and I, to start with, when he first got picked for Origin, it confused me and then after I started watching him more and more, I un, I, I get it. I get why he's so good. I get why he hasn't been moved to fullback otherwise. You're having the same argument that you having with Latrell Mitchell. Should he be at fullback or should he be at Center? Latrell is best positioned center. He dominate that every time he's put there, but he is also a very good fullback. It's just that the s have to work out whether they want Ja Gray there or they want Latrell there. And it'll be up to whether Mitchell wants him to be fullback or if he wants to be center as to whether he stays at the ose or goes and finds elsewhere.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 31:04

Well,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 31:05

Ja Gray got the player of the year the other day.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 31:08

think s have also gotta look go, hang on a minute. We know you a world cast player, Rell, but you also play for us. And for us to fit both ears into this squad dry gra our number one at the moment.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 31:28

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 31:29

But yeah, back to Melbourne Bulldogs and yeah, talking to the other night when the game is on, Jonah has it,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 31:38

Unbelievable.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 31:40

which is the club that's gonna throw most amount of money to get him outta that Melbourne system

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 31:47

Bears.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 31:47

get him there.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 31:49

The bears have to,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 31:50

to Bears.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 31:51

think they, I think they should. I don't necessarily think they will. They might go down the experience side of things, but I said to you the other night, the dolphins went and got Q and that's worked out pretty well for them. Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 32:04

yeah, that's right. And I said, you as well that I, if Melbourne, and this is. Just my opinion that Melbourne moved Munster on and let Munster go to Perth, was a big talk here a couple months ago, and they persisted and kept peasant to play beside Hughes, as Hughes phases out and retires, peasant takes over that team, I would not be disappointed with it because the way he played the other night, why he hasn't been playing seven more often.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 32:42

Yeah, I think Pez, it's gonna be a, he's gonna be a Cleary type player. He was con, he hasn't, he hasn't got that many NRL games under his belt, and he just played in a finals game that, and controlled it, kicking, passing, directed it, done everything perfectly that you could ask from a halfback. And he's only very young.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 33:06

yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 33:07

It just, it'll just depend on who's beside him. So usually when you look at halves and stuff, it's very easy to go, oh, they're a six, just like brown. He's a seven. And I don't know how that fits with Hugh's still being there. If he can go to six.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 33:21

Well, I

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 33:22

If Pez, it can go to six.'cause you're not taking the halfback roll from Hughes. that's the only downside I can see to it. You don't wanna undo all of this that he can do by putting him at six and having a laid back sort of role.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 33:34

I think

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 33:35

He can con

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 33:35

Bellamy is the type of coach that he could have Pza and Hughes in the same side,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 33:43

Yeah, he'd be able to develop it.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 33:45

could both pick their moments to control or play that support role, I

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 33:52

I, I don't,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 33:54

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 33:54

I don't think you can do that in a game plan. I don't think you can have them. Oh yeah, you take this one type thing. I think you need one half. It's their team. They run the team and then the other one plays off the back of it. And I think,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 34:05

you, but I think.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 34:06

I think that player has to be hugs.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 34:08

The bellamy's, the type of coach. And he's changed so many different tactics over the years that I

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 34:15

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 34:15

he could be the coach to do it

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 34:18

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 34:18

because both Pza and Hughes can take the line on as that ball running support role.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 34:26

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 34:27

And if the game, some games, people are gonna target Hughes a bit more'cause he's that more controlling half, that's when Pza could take that little bit of relief off him.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 34:39

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 34:39

And that the only, if Munster moved on, I think, I don't know what Munster's plans are, but

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 34:45

yeah. Just

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 34:46

other big talk

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 34:48

he might just stay. It's those sort of players. Melbourne don't generally let go of them. It was only because Cronk wanted to go that he went. It was only because GI offered to go because of the salary cap stuff that he went.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 35:02

Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 35:02

It's, they lose the odd forward and that that wants another opportunity. B. Brendan Smith wanted an opportunity to play hooker with Harry Grant coming through., They don't lose many players and they make better players out of what they gain.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 35:16

That's right. another left field thought Ryan Pap moves on.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 35:23

Yeah. Or

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 35:24

could, could p play one.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 35:26

no?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 35:28

Don't think

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 35:28

I don't think Pez plays one, but they do have, is it for Longo?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 35:34

Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 35:35

Yeah. They got Fullon go there.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 35:37

Something

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 35:38

he'll be an unreal fullback. He'll probably suit that style really well. But we also, dunno how long Craig Bellamy's got left. Like every year he is, oh, I'm not playing, last year. And then he goes again and then he goes again. And

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 35:50

Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 35:50

you know, to all those people out there that when your team goes and selects a coach.'cause obviously I've had to read the comments and stuff about what people like us think should be the coach. I'm a little bit more laid back than people. I'm not gonna say it's a shit decision. I'm gonna back them. Craig Bellamy is, was a, when he first started, he applied for the Canberra job and they went Adam Elliot over him, simply because Craig Bellamy didn't interview well, never coached before. Adam Elliot had experience. Then Melbourne picked him up and gave a chance on him. Pretty sure that's worked out pretty well for Melbourne. If Craig Bellamy isn't the best coach ever, I'm, I think he's, I think he's covered Bennett

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 36:37

yeah, I think Bellamy's done it with.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 36:43

Bennett's stunt Bennett's coach for a very long time. But yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 36:47

lesser players, but he hasn't had the quality of players that Brisbane had during that 90 system

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 36:54

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 36:55

when Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 36:57

The NR, when the A RL and Super League merged and it was a little bit,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 37:01

was unstoppable through that nineties and early two thousands, Brisbane had all but the Australian squad there.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 37:11

yeah. Where me Melbourne just grabbed those players, that people,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 37:16

got a knack for picking up clubs, rejects

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 37:20

yeah. Well, it's not necessarily that they're rejects. I'd just say that clubs couldn't get the most out of them, and Craig, Dylan just has, all the players in the NRL are talented. You don't just get there without talent.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 37:33

Yeah. But have still rejected and that's

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 37:36

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 37:36

I'm trying to get at. Craig Bellamy has just got that act of being able to Yeah. To get it out of him. and he'll keep on doing that right up until he finishes up.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 37:48

Yeah. Yeah. And while we're on the coach thing, I've seen a lot of people that say, oh, Holbrook, Holbrook didn't do much with the Titans and he can't coach Magic McGuire and Ricky Stewart both caught the same thing when they got sack from their clubs. It's not that. And they just produced the two teams that played probably one of the best finals time finals games that we've seen in a very long time. Like that intent that'll stand out for a long time. And while I'm on that Reese Walsh, after he come back from that bin and absolutely Torque Canberra apart, Reese Walsh won that game for Brisbane, hands down. That is, that is one of the best individual performances I've seen for a very long time. I didn't think he had it in him. I thought he had too much stupidity in him to actually, but he controlled that game and he wasn't letting go.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 38:45

I read an article that carried in, yeah. Had an interview and there's no TVs or whatnot in the dressing sheds there at Canberra. And all they'd done for those seven or eight minutes that they were both in there together was just to talk about how they were gonna turn this game around and Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 39:09

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 39:09

But I'm just wondering, did, did they have fresh toilets in the sheds and Reese Walsh got a top up?

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 39:15

I dunno. I seen a funny meme today of frigging Reese's Plumbing. Was frigging Reese Welsh there? That was pretty funny. But.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 39:23

Yeah, I was having a discussion with another mate the other day and yeah, he was off to Reese and I said, oh, you are, you gonna get his autograph out? And yeah, we both had a bit of a chuckle about the same thing.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 39:35

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 39:35

use him as a, poster boy.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 39:37

Yeah. All right. We'll move on to the next thing. seen on Fox Sports the other day. I heard it come up a couple of times since then, but the a FL are trying to implement their own state of origin series again, and it hasn't been played since 1999. I, I would love to see it take off. I don't know if it quite works with a FL or not. It's good to see a FL are trying to implement this sort same, their own sort of, representative season. you can play a whole sport and you, you go and play a made up sport against the island every year's. A little bit underwhelming for me. I, you'd, you'd want to play for Australia. The thing that you're good at, really wouldn't you?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 40:17

It's not really a

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 40:19

And

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 40:19

up sport, but

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 40:20

don't judge me on it's. I don't follow much a FL because I've, it's time restricted. I don't hate a FL. I used to watch the end of the NRL games on Thursdays and that, or Friday nights and I'd flick over, watch the last quarter of an A FL game and then flick over and watch the golf before I went to bed. I don't, I don't hate it like a FL Grand final. I watch every year when I can. I'm not necessarily gonna take work off for it, but which it falls when I'm working this year, I think. Yeah, I'm on night shift.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 40:53

Yeah, I can, I can see where the AFL's coming from and how they want to build their sport. I just think the end of the day, the true state of origin lies in rugby league, but. We will, we'll see how it pans out. They, they, they have tried it before, wasn't quite successful. So I guess if, if it's done properly and the fans can get behind it, and that's a big thing, getting the fin behind it

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 41:24

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 41:24

that support, then it can, it can go ahead and take off.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 41:30

I'm gonna be intrigued to watch it and intrigued to see what the outcome is from it and what the FI's reaction is to it. And if there is anyone listening that knows a FLA little bit better than what we do, what are, what are your thoughts on it?'cause I wanna know from somebody that actually follows a FL, whether or not it's a good thing or not. Obviously in the US in Rugby league, it's a good thing and it always will be, and it's kind of a headache at the same time because you've gotta find somewhere to put that in the, in the, in the calendar and it, it's disruptive, but it's too good of a thing to let go of. So.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 42:00

I, I haven't read too much into how, whether it's gonna be a series or a one-off game, but I think for, for those that don't a FL all the time, it may draw to come and watch it

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 42:15

It is definitely gonna, it's definitely gonna grab people to see.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 42:18

it. That's right. It's gonna be on a bigger scale

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 42:21

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 42:22

normal weekend. Sydney Swans

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 42:26

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 42:26

but yeah, like, I said, ne neither of us, I mean, I've played it at school to

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 42:34

I played a FL once and I hated it because I didn't know,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 42:37

out of the classroom, but

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 42:39

I also played three games of rugby Union time and I didn't like that either, so I was bored. bored. I wish we had played at school when we had that team before we didn't. I was playing fly half. I also working on those dropouts there.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 42:54

Yeah. Well, it's speak. I kicking the footy around the kids, the aravo and the youngest fell. He's asked me to drop, kick the ball, and I, I actually can't drop kick a football anymore. I was very disappointed. I, shanked it straight off the side of the

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 43:18

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 43:18

off it went, and,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 43:19

I was actually surprised, that couple of years ago when I tried to come back and play footy at the wrong age. just to train and I was just goal kicking just for fun.'cause I used to be all right when I was younger. I was surprised I could still do it like really well. So, but

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 43:38

Well,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 43:38

said to you before, that's probably what my fascination with golf is. Just like the strike and, you know, all of that. That's why I love playing golf and yeah, I turned to Amanda down yesterday. She offered to pay for a round of golf yesterday morning, and I'm just. Didn't want to, probably should have took that. It's not very often your wife pays for you to play a game of golf. So,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 44:01

No, they don't.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 44:03

just quickly on the NFL, the Kansas City Chiefs play the Philadelphia Eagles in the Super Bowl rematch, which doesn't actually happen very often'cause they've got the two conferences. They don't normally play each other that often. So it's only happened 11 times since the implementation of the Super Bowl. They got beat by Philadelphia. and largely to the thing you are not gonna know about and you're probably gonna laugh at me. The tush push, which is a thing, the tush push. So it's controversial in. In the NFL people, they, they voted on it in March to see whether or not it should be banned. And basically what they've done is they get the, they get the quarterback up behind the offensive linesmen right close to the line. So when they lock a yard out and they basically pack a scrum and push him in an overt and other teams cannot stop it.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 45:00

Surely they could come up with a better name.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 45:03

That's what they call it. They call it cush push.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 45:05

Push,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 45:06

I think they should just call it a scrum, but whatever. it's coming too. It's not, it's not even like they hide that they're doing it, that it's coming and they dunno how to stop it. I, I've got an idea of maybe getting out a lot lower, but I don't know how you do stop it. And that's why they tried to, to be in it, but they got the votes from all the clubs to keep it. And Philadelphia are still the only team that do it.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 45:29

Yeah. And I mean, you do whatever you can to score the points to win the game, but I, I think they could up with a better,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 45:40

Oh, I think, I think that's come from, that's probably come from commentators just pulling it a push push because it's basically the same thing. They, they get in behind the quarterback and they push him,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 45:51

it's probably a better scrum than the NRL. That's probably the biggest downfall that NRL has been one of my biggest pet hates ever since they Being able to actually push in a scrum. I, they, anyway,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 46:07

you know, they,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 46:09

day. That one.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 46:10

But you can still push in a scrum. They just don't do it. But it's not beneficial. But I also don't understand why they don't use trick plays in NRL off scrums.'cause that's when you've got half the team. Is in the middle of the field and you've got the rest of the field and you should really do more with that. So

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 46:27

towards the, back towards the start of this season, you've seen a lot more of the clubs try it, but

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 46:34

yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 46:34

the, of the times the players would see that and that's when they'd make their own mistake, they'd drop the ball,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 46:43

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 46:43

so they just, it was a lot easier to Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 46:47

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 46:47

you'll, I've noticed that they try and use those smaller, quicker blokes like the Reese Walshes, Scotty drink waters to try and use that speed and

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 46:58

yeah. Get out. Get out beside,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 47:00

outside

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 47:00

outside him and throw the ball.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 47:02

Yeah. that, I guess you, especially in the attacking third, you wanna try and hold onto the ball, I guess, and

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 47:11

Yeah. And I did get to see a little bit of NFL this weekend. I was watching, oh, we're recording on a Tuesday. So I was watching the Buccaneers and the Texans playing today. And, the Buccaneers being your team, baker Mayfield, their quarterback. I've only watched him play about three games the whole time I've been watching it. And every single time he seems to find a way in the nine seconds of a quarter in the fourth quarter to win a game for their, for his team. just absolutely unbelievable. And I don't understand if anyone understands NFL. Can you tell me why people hate Baker Mayfield so much? I know he was a Heisman Trophy winner in college, which is a dem in college football, I suppose, the top gong. And he goes to a team, he gets moved to another team, then moved to another team, and now he's found a home at the barks. It's a good pickup for the box.'cause he, he's a really good player. I dunno if it's the players around him that's the problem. Or if it's something to do with him. But I just think he's unbelievable to watch. He's fun to watch. I don't know that much.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 48:14

Yeah. And yeah, you said that the Bucky has been my team. They're my team because that's just who I used to choose I played on the PlayStation. I don't actually follow too much of the NFL to actually have a team,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 48:31

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 48:31

when I play NFL

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 48:33

Madden.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 48:34

on the, yeah, Madden, that's how it all started

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 48:37

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 48:38

It was always Buccaneers or Patriots that I'd choose. So

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 48:41

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 48:42

yeah, Buccaneers is where I stopped. I guess it

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 48:47

Just embrace it. Just embrace it.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 48:50

Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 48:51

Like I said, it works out well for us.'cause one's on a FC and one's on the NFC, we can play each other in a, super Bowl.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 48:59

well you could lose the Super Bowl anyway.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 49:02

It won't be this year. much happened in the a PL this week. You pay more attention to EPL than what all do.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 49:09

A lot of draws this week in the EPL. but I mean, I guess that's, soccer is just so a lot of teams are evenly balanced

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 49:17

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 49:18

sort of the top, top 5, 6, 7 squads. There's, yeah, it's so, even, so, it was just one of those rounds, but

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 49:29

yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 49:29

yeah. Manchester stays blue, so that's always a plus.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 49:34

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 49:35

We don't want those Red Devils winners.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 49:37

I felt sorry for Angie's first, his first game in charge of forest and. It comes up against Arsenal. That's a bit of a, a tough task, but hopefully another week with the team and can turn it around pretty quickly. I don't, what I don't understand is that apparently he already knew that this was gonna happen before the season started. Well not do it at the start of the season, but before the, before there's a ball even kicked.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 50:02

yeah, it happens in all sports. We, we see it through every season this NRL season, actually quite surprising that we went rounds before a coach got sacked.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 50:16

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 50:17

but yeah, it, it does make sense to do it five weeks ago before the season kicked off over there. Give s the ranges be leading into the season. but yeah, for him to come up against an arsenal, his first, first game. Yeah, it's, it's a tough one.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 50:37

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 50:38

the gunners they've been building over the last few years, and it'd be to see how far they can go with it. I mean, they've been close the last couple of years, but

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 50:50

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 50:50

it will see where they finish this year.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 50:54

yeah. Well hopefully liver ball will just keep winning and I'll be happy.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 50:59

Well, no. The, the scouters can, can lose.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 51:04

Yeah. Well I think that that's just about everything we've got for the sports, right? Did you have anything else?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 51:09

Nah, no, that's, yeah, that, that's pretty Well it, cricket season's approaching, so over the next couple of weeks, we'll, we'll start delving into the, the Big Bash and the upcoming Ashes series. So

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 51:23

You are thunder, aren't you?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 51:25

Yeah. Sydney Thunder. a few disappointing years. Last year wasn't too bad, but, yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 51:33

It's always like, been strange to me. Why can't, Canberra, Newcastle, Townsville, I'm sure there's other places further down south. Why can't they have teams?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 51:44

Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 51:45

I'd love to have a Newcastle Big Bash team.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 51:48

I, they traveled down to Hobart and over to Perth and that, but I guess it comes down to, yeah, the,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 51:57

I'm surprised.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 51:58

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 51:59

I'm surprised they haven't tried to put New Zealand team in a league. Done it. It.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 52:03

don't, don't count it off too quick,'cause Yeah, but they'd have their own over there too. And I

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 52:10

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 52:11

Newcastle. It, it had come down to facilities in Newcastle and being able to support

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 52:18

Mac Jones wouldn't be big enough, eh?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 52:20

Nah. That you don't pay cricket on a square ground.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 52:25

You're probably right.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 52:26

but yeah, I guess that's a, it's a big factor in those, I won't say smaller towns and whatnot, but Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 52:34

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 52:35

Sydney,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 52:36

I know. Maybe there's something Newcastle to look into to try and draw those sort of games, though.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 52:41

maybe a lot of, lot of,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 52:44

I don't know. I'm not gonna sit here and talk about politics and economy, about Newcastle, to be honest. I struggle talking about their team. I,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 52:52

anyhow, well the Jets look like they're starting pretty, pretty good

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 52:56

they won the Australia Cup the other day, didn't they? Has it been played yet?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 53:01

I'm not

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 53:02

They're not playing an A-League team, are they?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 53:05

The Australia Cup final,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 53:08

Oh, I'll just Google it real quick.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 53:10

they played Western a few weeks ago.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 53:15

They played Western.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 53:17

Yeah. Bears.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 53:20

I didn't know they played Western.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 53:22

Yeah. Well,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 53:23

Um,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 53:23

Cup

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 53:24

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 53:24

all the way. So obviously you got your a elite teams, then you got all your Northern New South Wales teams and new and all of New South Wales teams like Singleton played in a, Cessna, any, you can nominate the play. Play in the Australia Cup comes down to. How well you gonna do, I guess,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 53:48

Yeah, I think I might've, read something else.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 53:51

yeah. It might've been a trial. cause they are getting ready to, to kick the season off all the local leagues at semi-finals at the moment and final series. They got the finals weekend. Weekend after.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 54:07

Yeah.'cause they, they'll do it afterwards. Uh,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 54:10

Yeah. And then the AEG kickoff. It's not that far away.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 54:16

so it's getting played in Lakeside Stadium

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 54:19

Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 54:20

of October.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 54:22

AstroTurf

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 54:24

Yeah. And it is, Heidelberg United FC against Newcastle Jets. It's not an A league. You the, what is it, Western? What's that? Western Melbourne team in the A-League. They've been kicked out Western United. They've been booted from the A-League.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 54:40

Yeah. Western United. Yes, I did read that a couple of days ago. but the, the current holders of the Australian Cup are, I won't tell me.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 54:52

There you go, dragon. That'll come down to a, the A-League. If they won it, they didn't win against a big club. It'd be null and void like they do with the 97 grand final. We only played half a competition. Yeah, but those other teams were com

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 55:09

he,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 55:09

in 98, when they come back together, there was no salary cut. They just kept the teams that they had. That's why Brisbane was so good the next year as well. Just so people, for people that didn't know, they'll paid a lot more to be at that club.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 55:24

Yeah. Well, I don't know.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 55:28

And the nights still come second that season on the ladder. So I don't want people on, that was the first time that an NRL for again, or Rugby League Super Bowl ever come up was between Super League and a RL. They never got off the ground.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 55:42

no, I don't think that would've ended too well for the Knights back in 97. I think that Brisbane team

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 55:50

That Brisbane team was an Australian team. But

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 55:53

yeah. Yeah. Knights would've caught a bit of a touch up, I think.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 55:58

yeah, I think we can move on to some gaming talk. So this week I went and looked into some games and stuff and I've been missing out a little bit, to be honest. I don't, I have stuff come up on Facebook and stuff, but most of the stuff's JD six and I'm kind of sick of hearing about how good it's gonna be. I just wanna see how good it's gonna be, to be honest. And I don't know, well, GT six be a whole podcast episode on its own. I think it's worthy.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 56:27

yeah, I've never been a massive GTA player, so just

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 56:33

I'm not a fan of the online, like I know most people these days play online, but I'm an original GTA story mode. You know, go around and do the things and yeah, I, I like doing that sort of stuff. Well, I dunno, I can get into online with some stuff. I dunno, I don't have that many friends. Anyway, this week I come across Project Motor racing which I pretty sure that I already did kind of know about. I just hadn't delved into it and I sent the video to you. And honestly, it looks really good, like the career mode setup, an idea for the Career Motors. Yeah, it's probably gonna be from that side of things of representing what Motor Racing's actually about. I think that, I think Project motor racing is gonna be really good on that side. It'll just depend on what the gameplay and what graphics is gonna be like, I suppose. But, and yeah, I'd like to see it transfer into vr or at least PlayStation vr. So.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 57:37

The thing that really excites me about this career mode was there's actually more of a. Skill factor to it. You're not just gonna be jumping in a car and racing,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 57:51

No.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 57:51

actually got a, if you crash, it's gonna cost you money to rebuild that car. And there's more strategy behind it.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 58:00

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 58:00

And many, many years ago, one of the original need for speeds before your underground and everything, you, if you crashed that car, you had to rebuild it and

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 58:13

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 58:13

and whatnot. And

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 58:15

the F1 games do it pretty well, but not on, not what this is literally, like I recommend everyone go and see, go and have a look at the video. It's just type in project, motor sport career mode, and there's a little video that tells you what they're trying to implement. But the basic idea behind it is that you are starting your own race team. You get given a certain amount of money and dependent on the region that you start in, that's gonna affect. The price of cars, the travel to go to venues, and then you've gotta pick and choose your races and competitions that you want to be in to your affordability, but you've also went while you're racing the car, you've gotta think about the damage and all of that stuff rather than just, hooking in and hitting that other car and they've got an online mode. But I think the, the career mode's gonna be the most appealing thing to me, to be honest.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 59:06

Yeah, like I said, very excited about that game. yeah, I really can't wait for that. And I might actually have to break the steering wheel out for that one.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 59:17

Yeah, I dare say I am going to look into a steering wheel very, very soon. The only problem is of, you sort of need the frame to go with it, and it's pretty expensive.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 59:29

Well, I'm sure I can come down and Jimmy rig something up at a bit of timber for you.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 59:35

Yep, you do that. I'm all good, but I think it's gonna be pretty exciting. Like you've gotta concentrate on your lap times and like any other game. But to add that part to it, like there's, when you go and have a look at it outside of arcade racing games, there's not that many genuine simulators anymore. You've got

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 59:57

No,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 59:59

Forza outside of the horizon from what I've heard.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:00:03

Forza hype

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:00:04

Was it Forza Motor Sport is the simulator version.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:00:07

fair bit of Forza on the Xbox and the depth of this Motor Sports game. It's a whole nother level. Like

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:00:18

Yeah. Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:00:20

does not even touch the sides of this game.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:00:23

A Seto course that's, that's very in depth with its career mode and signing contracts and stuff like that. But this is building your own race team from ground up

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:00:32

for those

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:00:33

I can't wait.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:00:34

yeah, for those that wanna watch this video, we'll put a link to the video our social. So you wanna have a look.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:00:42

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:00:42

Can have a

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:00:43

yeah. Go on there. Give it a like, and then it'll pop up. You wanna have to go looking for it. we're gonna be a little bit more proactive in posting stuff. I think I've been, I put up the first episode and been watching to see how that goes and what sort of interest. I'll get to the end of the episode and delve into a little bit of that. pretty happy with myself, but yeah, I'm excited for Project Motorsport. I'd heard about it, went and seen about it, and I need to start looking into what more games are coming out. the other one that I had a look at was, resident Evil nine Rick Wellm, and it looks like a resident evil game. I enjoy the resident evil games. Like I said, last week, I got'em, played'em on VR and all that and it's the most immersive thing you can do. I absolutely love it. Dunno if this one, I'd say this one will be VR compatible as well. I can't see'em going away from it, but I think it's pretty successful, so I'll just happy to see another resident evil game and not a roommate.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:01:42

I've played, yeah, a few resident eagles over the years, the last couple, I haven't delved too far into them. I don't know, I just

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:01:51

Is that, is that because the last couple have been like first person ones and you prefer third person when you're playing?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:01:59

it could be just something second nature that pushes me away from it, but

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:02:03

Well, I just know when we play Arc, I prefer the first person view and you prefer playing third person.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:02:11

Yeah. I,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:02:11

That's cool.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:02:13

yeah, to me you can, I can see more that way, but yeah,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:02:17

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:02:18

that's just how I feel.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:02:19

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:02:20

yeah, resident evil, they, they all, a, that's a great franchise.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:02:24

yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:02:25

always produced good games.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:02:27

Yeah. I think they're rebooting the movies as well.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:02:29

I don't think this one will be any different. I think, yeah, it could much

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:02:34

Oh, it'll just be the story. It'll be the, a good story, your puzzles, you know, your horror and all of that stuff. And yeah, just make sure if you're playing it in VR that your wife and your kids aren't home, because they will tap you on the shoulder and you will shoot your pants. So, yeah. But, I'll get, I'll get onto, I'll get onto the other thing with the game in this week. So I downloaded yesterday the. Hit me in worlds or whatever it is. the hit Me in series, which was all three games, compatible with VR and stuff like that. I didn't actually realize it was an extra$14 to make it compatible with vr, but I played it in vr. I've played the hit Me in games before. It's not the first time I've played them. I just wanted to see how it translated to VR and just like Resident Evil, it, it does the same thing. It just makes it so immersive. You get through. I haven't played the VR in a while. I did get a little bit seasick, but I just put it down for a bit. Go over Coke, go over drink, go whatever, and then come back to it 10 to 15 minutes later. And it hasn't been too bad, but it's just the immersion of it. I'd love to get you up here and all down here to jump on and give VR a go.'cause I think you'd be genuinely surprised to be honest.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:03:54

Yeah, well, I, I wanna play cricket in

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:03:57

Yeah. The old mate playing on cricket. Yeah. Well that's a, that's for the mega quest. You can't get that on VR too.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:04:03

different system. But yeah, I think,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:04:05

Although there is something that I remembered that I told you ages ago when I first got the vr,'cause I was looking for games and stuff like that, and there wasn't that many on there. If you're unsure about between the VR and the Quest, because the thing is, you might have a PlayStation at home and don't necessarily have a computer to play the Quest on, but the Quest has more games and there's games like the cricket one, like Golf Plus that you want to go and play or anything really. You can get an adapter for the VR two to go to the computer. You're not, you're not really, you know, you don't have to do either. Either You don't have to.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:04:41

are slowly getting

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:04:43

Yeah. It's all going, it, it's starting to, it's starting to be that. You can get whatever with whatever. That's what the whole Xbox PlayStation crossover thing is, is that they're starting to share all these games so that it's access to everybody, which I'm happy. I'm happy for everybody to have access to it. I absolutely love it.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:05:00

I, I like that, yeah, there's a lot more cross play games

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:05:05

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:05:05

nowadays for those do play online.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:05:09

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:05:09

yeah, that think, I don't know. I personally think that in the future that you'll be able to do everything from one console.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:05:19

yeah. Yeah, definitely.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:05:21

I don't think it's as far away as what some people think,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:05:25

Well, a lot of the,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:05:25

also look at it from business side of things. PlayStation or Xbox,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:05:33

yeah, I know that the.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:05:34

of them would, they'd fold or one bought the other out, like they'd be

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:05:41

Yeah. And

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:05:42

grab. But whatever they're creating cross play games, I guess they're gonna stay away from that.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:05:50

yeah. Well, I've noticed that they're putting a lot into the handheld ones now for handheld PCs and PlayStations and all that. They're, they're putting a lot of work into it.'cause I think they've become very popular and I can see why,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:06:03

Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:06:03

really need to, I've got the TV and I've got the console, so I don't really need the handheld, I can't take it to work. Like

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:06:10

yeah, so I bought the handheld PlayStation, last one, for going to work.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:06:17

you work away and stuff.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:06:19

do work when I go to work. It's more when rain days and,'cause I'm

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:06:23

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:06:24

in that type of work environment, I,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:06:26

away as well. Like

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:06:27

down

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:06:28

got a big job coming up soon that you're gonna be living away.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:06:31

Yeah, so I didn't like the fact that. I can't just turn that system on and just play that system. I've gotta be logged in through the PlayStation network to be able and connected to my PlayStation at home

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:06:47

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:06:48

to be able to play it like I want to. I was under the impression there was like the old PSP

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:06:54

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:06:55

where they were a separate unit and I could just play it. It was all built into this UBU

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:07:00

yeah. I did see a thing the other day that, PlayStation's working on PS six and PS P three.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:07:06

yes, percent. I read that and I think it is a, you said, a lot of things are going that handheld route, and I think that is a big, big possibility and a big thing for the police station.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:07:21

Yeah, yeah. But going back to the hit me, it, it's all immersive, all that. The reason I bought it yesterday was it was priced down on PSN. It was on a deal. So I think it was maybe 60, 70 bucks or something when originally it's$150 in that format. You get the three games, heaps of added extras and stuff that I understand why they're trying to sell that for$150. I went in the other day'cause I wanted to play metal gear, solid snake eater. I wanted to give that a go'cause I never actually played that growing up. I never played that one. So I wanted to give it a go.'cause I used to love those old metal gear solid games. And it was 130 bucks for a remade game. The standard of standard edition. And to me that's ridiculous. I'm gonna wait until it gets discounted. I've been waiting ages for it to get released, but I'm just gonna wait until it comes down in price.'cause there is no way I wanna pay that much. I'm not that dedicated to it. I, I think that's just robbery.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:08:29

we've had this same discussion many a times, and I'm a firm believer that unless I am getting hard copy of a game, the game should not cost more than a hundred dollars.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:08:45

No.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:08:46

they, you gotta download it, the system,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:08:50

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:08:50

your system fills up storage anyway,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:08:52

or at least explain to us what extra effort you are putting in to make it worth

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:08:57

no extra effort. You can go buy the same game for the same price from EB Games or Big W.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:09:04

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:09:05

copy, take the disc home, it on the wall,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:09:10

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:09:10

doesn't cost you any different.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:09:12

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:09:12

You get more for it.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:09:14

yeah. I.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:09:15

nothing extra to buy online for the

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:09:17

I'm talking just the general$130 for a remade game. Like I understand they've upgraded the graphics. It's it's still the same game. We've played it before.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:09:26

That's right.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:09:26

It's not an entirely new game.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:09:29

yeah. And it's ridiculous.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:09:32

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:09:33

And I, I understand that during that COVID period when people couldn't go to the shops and whatnot to,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:09:41

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:09:42

the games and everything was sort of bought online then,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:09:47

yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:09:48

but you can, you don't have to do that anymore.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:09:51

No, no.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:09:52

So it's, it, it is only for the convenience. And that's what these game companies are seeing, that is only for the convenience of not having to leave your living room, that they just keep on robbing us of our hard earned money.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:10:09

I only download'em now'cause it's easier. I don't have to go to the shops. The game's available.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:10:15

you download it for podcast content

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:10:17

Yeah. Or don't,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:10:18

off your wife?

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:10:19

yeah, don't tell your wife that you've downloaded it for the podcast'cause she won't see it your way. I didn't download it just for that. I wanted to get it anyway. It just happened that it was a good conversation starter. So yeah. That happened. But yeah, I think that's all. I wonder, coach, do you got anything for games? It's been pretty much just me this week.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:10:40

I did, I had a bit more of a look into Hell is Us.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:10:45

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:10:46

it, I don't not like it, but yeah,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:10:53

Um,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:10:53

watched, I haven't watched enough of it or to actually make me mind up about it. I'm gonna get it and give it a good crack. But yeah, I think it is a game. I am on the fence at the moment it, a lot of people, they would enjoy it. But

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:11:13

I think I'm gonna wait until there's some gameplay and bit of feedback come back from it.'cause I'm not a hundred percent sure.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:11:20

for as well. the few videos I have watched it. I'm okay about it. And it was same, that oh oh seven, we were discussing 25 minute video,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:11:33

Oh, that was the gameplay. Yeah, I skipped through some of that, but I'm actually looking forward to it, to be honest. Like I've been playing hitman. if you don't know, there's a new oh oh seven game coming out in March next year, and it's made by the exact same people as Hitman and. You alert to me that people have been comments saying, it looks like Hitman, and you're like, yeah, it does look like Hitman. It's because it's made by the same people.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:11:57

Yeah,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:11:59

it's,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:12:00

I'm not sold on it. I'm really not. I didn't,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:12:04

and that's the,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:12:05

drawn into that, gameplay that I watched of, I really, I wasn't drawn to it and it of bored me.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:12:12

yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:12:13

So I think, I don't think I'm gonna rush to get that one.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:12:17

yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:12:17

As more gameplay comes out of it, then there's more and more people, Talking about it and more of a hype, I might change my mind, but At the moment that one's a negative for me.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:12:30

Yeah. I'll, I think I'm still stuck up on oh oh seven night fire, to be honest, I used to play so much of that with me mates and stuff before footy, after footy.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:12:39

So, sometimes you gotta let the past go.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:12:43

Yeah, I know, I know. It's never as good. I, really enjoyed that. I used to have it at home as well, so I love the story to it and all that, and it it feels like there hasn't been any really good ones since, and I want it to be good. I stopped playing movie based games a long time ago when I realized that they were shit. They weren't, they weren't high end games. They were just living off the name of it. And there was, the playability of them weren't that great. It used to be that you'd get those games and they're actually really good.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:13:14

Yeah. Like you said, it's the living on that name and

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:13:20

Yeah, and a lot of, a lot of other games do that too. there's countless games that are just reasked or,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:13:28

And there's a lot of games that I

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:13:31

Reskin.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:13:31

to see'em remastered, but yeah, I don't think we ever will

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:13:37

I don't have a problem with'em, remastering it. I like going back and playing the old games. I just don't think that I have to pay a, a new games price to be able to play it. No, because all the groundwork's already there and they're just, the reskinning what's already there and a couple of little updates doesn't seem like it's worth the extra money, to be honest.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:13:58

Yeah.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:13:58

Like,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:14:00

What if they remastered? John will lo me rugby.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:14:03

oh, I'm not paying a hundred bucks for it. I'd pay it, but I'm not paying a hundred bucks for it.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:14:10

Yeah. And yeah, there, there probably is a few games out there that are worth that premium price.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:14:17

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:14:17

But still not$130.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:14:20

yeah, yeah. I.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:14:22

I mean, some things are better off left in the past as well.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:14:26

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:14:26

games shouldn't be remastered.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:14:29

Yeah. You gotta, you gotta remember the game for what it was, to be honest. So,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:14:35

Yeah,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:14:38

Well, I think we can what, move on to our predictions for the week. so last week we, what? We got to each?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:14:46

yeah. So I had prediction was that Manchester would stay blue and that I actually, I said that City had win three won, but they actually won three nil, which is even better.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:15:02

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:15:03

I still got one rolling at the moment and I said the doggies would go out in straight sets and I still believe that they will, I think.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:15:11

Yeah. You're halfway there.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:15:14

Yeah, I think Penrith will beat'em this weekend.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:15:17

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:15:18

those, it injury the critter.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:15:20

Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:15:21

big one. sharks ended up beating the roosters. I thought the roosters the wind. And good of that game, I was fairly confident last sort of 10 minutes, 12 minutes of that game. Sharks sort of, they come home with a wet sail. but yeah. And yourself, Ravens bounce back.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:15:44

yeah. No, the Ravens did bounce back up against the Browns. To be honest, the Browns didn't give much of a challenge up. Derrick Henry didn't run for 200 yards. I actually dunno what happened. I didn't get a chance to see the game and I still can't figure out how to use this NFL pass properly to see replayed games. I did get to see a little bit of it. It was mostly highlights. I'm not sure what happened to Derrick Henry if someone could let me know. I feel like he was injured, but I feel like he might not have been. After reading some stuff, I had Canberra to win against Brisbane and. It got close. Didn't quite get it. But like I said before, that was just a, despite all the stuff that happened in that game, for a game to go for 93 minutes or whatever it was, that that was an unbelievable game to watch. If you are a true NRL fan or even if you're not, the excitement and all of that, you would've been watching, I would've hated to be a Raiders or a Broncos fan the other day. Absolutely. Would've hated being a Raiders fan because you won the game twice and still didn't get it. So,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:16:48

Yeah,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:16:49

you know,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:16:49

it,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:16:50

it's, it's just one of those things.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:16:52

yeah. Just from an outside perspective, you lived down in Canberra. What was it like down in Canberra? The atmosphere at GIO Stadium and what those PE those fans were going through the other afternoon,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:17:07

I lived down, there was when they started the Viking Club, when that started to become a thing and they played. Penrith in a final, I'm not sure which final it was, but they played Penrith in a final in Canberra. And I just remember we were moving at the time to move back up to the central coast from down there and we went down to pick the last of our stuff up, me and my wife. And on the way down there I just said, oh fuck it, we'll just go to the game. So we went to the game that night as something to do to kill time between moving stuff the next day. And we just bought general admission tickets and we ended up right in the middle of the Viking Club and it was the most electric, it was unbelievable, the atmosphere that Canberra get Canberra. A very, very passionate fans down there. They absolutely love their team. Absolutely love it. And the cold weather that they show up in to be there, they, they're a little bit underrated how much of a great fan base they are. it, I, I consider camp the Raiders as my second team I had before I moved down there because I've always, I grew up with'em being sort of meter, I don't remember the nineties when they were good. I just remember'em sort of being around, that top eight and just always won Monday night games for some reason. That's, and it's probably got a lot to do with the cold to be honest, but it, it, I'd go back to a Canberra game in Canberra.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:18:28

yeah. the, you said about the fans being so passionate and guess Reese Wal found that out when he was walking down the tunnel the other afternoon,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:18:38

it is what it is. The NRL are gonna rule on it. Like I'm just glad they didn't pull a, or was it Taylor May that got suspended, his suspension for the fans and got to play through that final series and then got injured anyway,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:18:52

yeah,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:18:53

would

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:18:53

have gotta see it.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:18:55

that shouldn't happen?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:18:57

No,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:18:58

So, but on the, on the other prediction from last week, I said that we'd get 25 listens on the podcast, through my funnel and systems of statistics that I get from where I feed it from. We got 46 downloads over, apple Podcast and Spotify, listen notes, Facebook, the web browser one because I didn't. Realized I had to wait the first time I downloaded it. Hopefully that's all been fixed this time. but on Spotify,'cause I can't work out how it translates, but I've, we've had 31 plays on Spotify and we've got four follows and the easiest way to keep up to date with what we're doing is just to give that a follow. So yeah, give us a, like on the Facebook page and on Spotify or wherever you listen it to, and yeah, just help it grow. It'll help the algorithm. We can get more people in there and then hopefully we can get some to and fro from people who know what we're talking about or enjoy what we're talking about or just get a little bit of feedback even if you want to or anything like that. So, yeah. So what's your, predictions this week?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:20:11

This week we've got NRLW final series starting,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:20:18

Yep.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:20:18

and

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:20:20

Can I just mention the roosters have gone undefeated this season so far?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:20:25

now this isn't a prediction, but I think they will continue to go undefeated and I think they'll win it.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:20:31

Yep.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:20:33

But for this week, they've gone the Knights and the Cowboys. Both to win the NRL finals game, both one to 12. and then over in a FL, the preliminary finals, we were on Geelong and Collingwood, both to win in the, to make the grand final. I'm, yeah, like as we spoke about, I'm not a massive a FL fan. It's, it's just another sport I flick through. I'll have a watch, I'll watch some highlights and I understand a few rules, but I'm not a, big a FL person. But yeah, to, for me, I think, I just think and Collingwood, they're both the positions that they finish on the ladder, they should both win.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:21:22

Yep.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:21:23

Going back to the EPL, Merseyside Derby between Liverpool, Evan, and, there's a lot of Liverpool fans out there that'll be hoping that they keep on winning. But discuss sneaking suspicion that finish in the draw.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:21:41

Yep. You reckon?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:21:44

Yeah, I, I won't say it's a goalless draw. I think both teams are scoring goals. Liverpool have found ways to, to win in the past, but I think evident from what I've watched of them so far this season, I think evident. Yeah, little bit. It'll be a little bit of an upset, a point away from Liverpool.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:22:09

The predictions I've got this week is I think the chiefs are gonna end their three game losing streak since the Super Bowl. I think they, I think they win this week. Just simply they're due for a win. There's still not that bad aside, and like I said before, it was only because of really the tush push and maybe a drop from, Travis probably was the reason for that. But, yeah, I, I'm happy to say that the Chiefs are gonna, win next week against the Giants. I don't see the Giants being a big threat to'em, to be honest. They're both Euro and two and the Chiefs are a lot better team than what the giants are at the moment. I'm pretty sure the Giants have a rookie quarterback so homes will probably give him a good old school. I've got the Raiders that beat the Sharks. I know they just had a big game against Brisbane, but the Sharks did not show me enough where the Raiders showed me plenty on Sunday when they were playing off. Quick, Starling just schooling'em through the middle until they were put on the back foot. Just getting forward. The Ford's doing what they needed to Hudson Young getting out and about KO weeks, just playing off the back of mistakes or open field. They've got a really good team there and it's a little bit of a shame that they lose Fogarty next year'cause I wouldn't mind to see how good this Canberra team could be. But I'm not sure what they're gonna do around that halfback situation. I dunno if Strange can go into halfback. I don't, I'm not sure what's gonna happen there, but I'm still sure stick's got a plan in place anyway, so, and I've also, my third prediction for this week is Ang to get his first win in the a PL with forest, over Burnley. What. So, yeah, and use would know,'cause we decided this after the podcast the other day, but me and Zach are taking 10 bucks each and putting these bets on. So our predictions that we put, we put into a multi and hopefully get a little bit of a return from it Anyway, I don't recommend that other people listen to us though.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:24:21

Yeah, do not follow our multi predictions.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:24:25

No, not at this stage anyway. Unless we start getting a few then maybe, you got anything else this week?

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:24:30

No. No. So, yeah, that's, that's just about it for,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:24:36

I've got one.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:24:36

this week.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:24:37

I've got one more thing. This week

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:24:38

What's,

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:24:39

I've finally talked you into doing this podcast after how long? And turns out you've accepted a job for six weeks out in the middle of nowhere, so I might not have you for a couple of weeks outta the next couple. So to everybody that really wants to listen to Zach for some reason, he might not be here for a couple of episodes and I've gotta come up with a plan B so I can stay consistent and Yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:25:01

yeah, I mean, kind of gotta keep a roof over the kid's head and in their belly, but.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:25:09

no, that's fair enough. That's fair enough. Zach's accepted a job with his business out in the middle of New South Wales somewhere, no reception, and it's pretty bad when the, the, what is it, foreman or company that's hired him trying to buy satellite phone to communicate with his own family. But yeah,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:25:29

I stand. You don't really work that hard.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:25:32

We'll come up with, with something anyway we might be able to get Zach on for a couple of the things and that it just might, might not be quite as current'cause it might be on like a Sunday arvo or something like that before he leaves to go away and not doing it on the Tuesday. it's already a little bit outdated by the time it comes to Thursday'cause a lot more things come out and stuff. But we're trying to do the best we can to get it out there on Thursday anyway. And yeah, even if it's just me in here trying to talk through things, I don't know how I'll go talking to myself or don't like listening to myself. So,

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:26:04

you, you're a dump truck driver, so you talk to yourself a lot of the night and half the day, so

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:26:10

Yeah.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:26:10

be used to it.

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:26:11

I'm sick of hearing me. but if, if we can get people just to go over and give even wherever you get your podcast from, give it a follow, show your support on the Facebook page and on Instagram page, and send us in some, some messages on what you want to talk about or what you don't like or just disagree with us. yeah, we're not, we don't stand by all their comments that much, do we? We're open to opinions.

zach_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:26:40

Yeah, that's where this podcast originated from. It was just Jason and I, we, we had a lot of opinions about different things that had pop up in the sporting world and we sort of found ourselves points. We'd discuss it and then be a couple weeks later, same things had start popping up that getting discussed by the higher ups. We be in these sporting

the-incoherent-podcast_2_09-16-2025_200438: 1:27:08

Oh yeah, yeah. There was a stage there where I thought our phones were tapped by the NRL, but, also we go through these discussions with these ideas, we frigging drafts and Super bowls and all this stuff for the NRL and that, and we discuss it between us, but I kind of wanna find out what other people's opinion is on it. Like, tell me where I'm wrong. I'm not gonna say that you are wrong either, but I'm not, I'm just a bloke that's a fan of sports and different sports and that, and trying to, trying to learn it. I'm trying to learn NFL and if I'm wrong on stuff, I'm happy to, to cop the criticism anyway.

1:27:42

Thanks for joining us on the second episode of the Incoherent Podcast. Hopefully we see you next week.

Speaker 2: 1:27:49

Thank you for joining Zach and I on this week's episode of the Incoherent Podcast. We will be back next week with another episode talking about the week of sport and gaming. You can follow us at the Incoherent Podcast on Facebook and Instagram. You can also get in touch with us via our email, the Incoherent podcast at outlook com. Feel free to message us if you have anything for us to discuss in future episodes Till next week, it's from us.